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umm last time i check forums are public, so whether you agree or disagree is irrelevant, anything posted can be judged by the public. sorry i'm not one of those people hung up on what people think... I about fell over when you basically said if one disagrees he should be silent...

Yes i know interaction with members happens all the time.. But this discussion was about politics which has nothing to do with people in person. Politically I disagree with many of you, but have met many in person and they are great people... I don't hold anybody's beliefs against them when I meet in person... Fish dealings are separate of politics haha.

barometer said:
freedom to disagree.....yes. But sometimes it's smarter to say nothing than to put yourself out there in what is essentially public for peeps to judge.....especially on a board where interaction with it's membership is pretty much a given :rolleyes:
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fishtankcrazy said:
But this discussion was about politics which has nothing to do with people in person. Politically I disagree with many of you, but have met many in person and they are great people... I don't hold anybody's beliefs against them when I meet in person... Fish dealings are separate of politics haha.
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Yeah well you go ahead and reread the posts before your original and tell me how many people had a hint of a political agenda.


Sucks about the reefs dying:cry:
People just don't care about the planet... I went surfing in Pt. Loma last night, a pretty unpopulated beach compared to MB, PB, and La Jolla, and i was swimming in trash. 5 gallon buckets in the lineup, soda cans, plastic bags... The water was so murky i couldn't see the bottom in 3 feet of water; pretty scary when we haven't had any swell to stir up the bottom in weeks.

Nature can fix itself to an extent. But, IMO, the earth is showing all the signs of permanent decay. Everything is out of balance; huge wildfires, plant and animal populations hanging on for dear life, fat people. If you want to know how bad the earth is going to get just look at an obese guy... Sure you can lose 400lb, but you're still going to have 5 feet of extra skin somewhere... We are going to have to live with this 5 feet of extra skin for the rest of our lives.

Sorry for the typos on a sticky mac keyboard...
 
Diver Dan said:
Yeah well you go ahead and reread the posts before your original and tell me how many people had a hint of a political agenda.


Sucks about the reefs dying:cry:
People just don't care about the planet... I went surfing in Pt. Loma last night, a pretty unpopulated beach compared to MB, PB, and La Jolla, and i was swimming in trash. 5 gallon buckets in the lineup, soda cans, plastic bags... The water was so murky i couldn't see the bottom in 3 feet of water; pretty scary when we haven't had any swell to stir up the bottom in weeks.

Nature can fix itself to an extent. But, IMO, the earth is showing all the signs of permanent decay. Everything is out of balance; huge wildfires, plant and animal populations hanging on for dear life, fat people. If you want to know how bad the earth is going to get just look at an obese guy... Sure you can lose 400lb, but you're still going to have 5 feet of extra skin somewhere... We are going to have to live with this 5 feet of extra skin for the rest of our lives.

Sorry for the typos on a sticky mac keyboard...
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Your fat man, extra skin is a great analogy! However, i could have done without the sticky keyboard :lol:
 
fishtankcrazy said:
umm last time i check forums are public, so whether you agree or disagree is irrelevant, anything posted can be judged by the public. sorry i'm not one of those people hung up on what people think... I about fell over when you basically said if one disagrees he should be silent...

Yes i know interaction with members happens all the time.. But this discussion was about politics which has nothing to do with people in person. Politically I disagree with many of you, but have met many in person and they are great people... I don't hold anybody's beliefs against them when I meet in person... Fish dealings are separate of politics haha.
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:lol::lol::lol: this is exactly what I'm talking about. Post all day your disagreements, I'll not argue with that and believe that was clear in my previous post for those who understand English. I also think as the OP I know what my intentions were and this is not a political thread.....or this a political rebuttal for that matter. You know what they say about assumptions. When your words are just stupid speculation you make yourself look quite unintelligent.....that's when it's best to be silent and the only thing I'm addressing :rolleyes: *waiting for next completey off-base response*

Now back to the subject at hand......as zoa so simply put it this is a carbon dioxide issue that will eventually affect life on the planet. Destruction of an entire ecosystem WILL have some kind of domino effect, even if we don't know what exactly that will be yet. I don't believe that this time nature will right itself as the damage seems to grow exponentially. Only time will tell I suppose.
 
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Jessy said:
Well i'm sure if they went in YOUR tank they'd just commit mass suicide... I mean even single celled organisms have standards :p. :angel: Its been a while
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haha Jess you and I it's just something special! lol I know it's been forever I'll be seein ya saturday! :hideeyes:
 
this is so F'ind depressing. It kills me to think about all the wonders of the deep that will die with us never even knowing it existed. this sucks!
 
When has climate change not been political?

I like your analogy about fat people... Though its not totally correct. I knew a girl who lost 350lbs and had very little extra skin... If you lose weight the right way the skin (since I don't know the medical term) magically shrinks too.

Yeah the oceans suck down here... but a lot of the crap in our water is not just us polluting but the bad run off from over the border.

Diver Dan said:
Yeah well you go ahead and reread the posts before your original and tell me how many people had a hint of a political agenda.


Sucks about the reefs dying:cry:
People just don't care about the planet... I went surfing in Pt. Loma last night, a pretty unpopulated beach compared to MB, PB, and La Jolla, and i was swimming in trash. 5 gallon buckets in the lineup, soda cans, plastic bags... The water was so murky i couldn't see the bottom in 3 feet of water; pretty scary when we haven't had any swell to stir up the bottom in weeks.

Nature can fix itself to an extent. But, IMO, the earth is showing all the signs of permanent decay. Everything is out of balance; huge wildfires, plant and animal populations hanging on for dear life, fat people. If you want to know how bad the earth is going to get just look at an obese guy... Sure you can lose 400lb, but you're still going to have 5 feet of extra skin somewhere... We are going to have to live with this 5 feet of extra skin for the rest of our lives.

Sorry for the typos on a sticky mac keyboard...
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Umm actually this was posted in the local news thread which is separate from the fish part of the forumn, and is a political / science post. Climate change is just "assumptions" and "speculation". No concrete proof yet. I find its similar to religious people.. They have a belief that something exists with no proof, just a belief. Climate change people are the same.

The reality is it will take thousands or years, probably past human existence, for you to prove if your right or not.

barometer said:
:lol::lol::lol: this is exactly what I'm talking about. Post all day your disagreements, I'll not argue with that and believe that was clear in my previous post for those who understand English. I also think as the OP I know what my intentions were and this is not a political thread.....or this a political rebuttal for that matter. You know what they say about assumptions. When your words are just stupid speculation you make yourself look quite unintelligent.....that's when it's best to be silent and the only thing I'm addressing :rolleyes: *waiting for next completey off-base response*
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Come on, comparing science to religion? Really?



fishtankcrazy said:
Umm actually this was posted in the local news thread which is separate from the fish part of the forumn, and is a political / science post. Climate change is just "assumptions" and "speculation". No concrete proof yet. I find its similar to religious people.. They have a belief that something exists with no proof, just a belief. Climate change people are the same.

The reality is it will take thousands or years, probably past human existence, for you to prove if your right or not.
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Okay,

I just read this whole post again. (Love you too Diego, also not in that way.) Read the freaking post. Here is a quote:

"Charlie Veron, former chief scientist of the Australian Institute of Marine Science, told The Times: “There is no way out, no loopholes. The Great Barrier Reef will be over within 20 years or so.”

This guy is no slouch. Look at who he was speaking to, not a bunch of "hippies" but other world class scientists. This is not a political post, you went there. Then you compare "global warming" to religion? Huh?

"Climate change is just "assumptions" and "speculation". No concrete proof yet. I find its similar to religious people.. They have a belief that something exists with no proof, just a belief. Climate change people are the same." Huh?

How in the world can you hope to have people take anything you say seriously when you post stuff like that?

Do some research before you just out of right field say "the jury is still out." There is a mountain of evidence. Use that keyboard to do a little research from real scientists who actually do this for a living. It makes for a real argument for your position. Then present your argument without being condescending to your fellow reefers and dismissively saying it is "political."

That trash around Trev's board is real. What has happened to the marine life just off the coast here is real. I have seen it, firsthand, in my OWN lifetime. 30 years ago we had to have a limit on abalone to keep us from overfishing. Anyone even seen one recently?
 
They exist already. They are called plants and algae. make a mechanical one that can do what the one does to Mars on "Total Recall" and you will go down with the Wright Bros.- until it starts to snow in Palm Springs. Then you are toast.
 
Techknowledgy said:
How in the world can you hope to have people take anything you say seriously when you post stuff like that?

Do some research before you just out of right field say "the jury is still out." There is a mountain of evidence. Use that keyboard to do a little research from real scientists who actually do this for a living. It makes for a real argument for your position. Then present your argument without being condescending to your fellow reefers and dismissively saying it is "political."

That trash around Trev's board is real. What has happened to the marine life just off the coast here is real. I have seen it, firsthand, in my OWN lifetime. 30 years ago we had to have a limit on abalone to keep us from overfishing. Anyone even seen one recently?
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damn strait! -- *whispers* im a marine bio major..... this is as real as colon cancer... neither is pleasant and both are huge pains your ..... :)
 
Techknowledgy said:
They exist already. They are called plants and algae. make a mechanical one that can do what the one does to Mars on "Total Recall" and you will go down with the Wright Bros.- until it starts to snow in Palm Springs. Then you are toast.
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LOL don't i wish.... mars or ocean floor here i come!!!!!!! move over aquaman. :eek:hsnap:
 
Whoah you found one scientist and i'm sure you can find more to just as i can. There are many that don't believe in the "permanent effect" anyway. We can throw numbers around, but the fact is its pretty split on if it exists or not. The liberal media is just one sided, which is what most people see.

Climate Change has been political since the early 90's.... Always money to be made when you freak people out over nothing.

Yes I can compare it to religion as its a belief, not a proven fact. You know people were stupid enough to believe the world was flat once and that witches and warlocks existed. People thought our planet was the center of the universe and that everything rotated around us. I could go on and on... The fact is I just need proof.

Do some research? Funny. I've taken a hell of a lot of classes on this stuff and been an environmentalist since I was a kid. I love reading anything I can about this stuff. The difference between you and me is that you are one sided only, that it does exist. You'll laugh but i'm probably more open minded on this subject. I'm on the opposite side, but willing to switch once significant proof is shown. I just need proof... I'm just a science person looking for pure truth. Sure any idiot can show why levels of this and that and heat go up. But there's a billion things that can cause that and it doesn't mean the planet can't heal itself.

Just to be clear I'm not saying anything bad about you :) ... too me this is just a friendly argument. We just have a very big difference in that you are relying on opinion and i wanna see fact. Plain and simple.

Oh I wasn't saying that trevor's stuff wasn't real it is... Just a lot of trash and contamination filters down from Tijuana where they don't really regulate things well.

I'm digress. I'm done. Thats my two cents. We will just leave it at we'll never agree.

Have a good one!

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Okay,

"Charlie Veron, former chief scientist of the Australian Institute of Marine Science, told The Times: “There is no way out, no loopholes. The Great Barrier Reef will be over within 20 years or so.”

This guy is no slouch. Look at who he was speaking to, not a bunch of "hippies" but other world class scientists. This is not a political post, you went there. Then you compare "global warming" to religion? Huh?

"Climate change is just "assumptions" and "speculation". No concrete proof yet. I find its similar to religious people.. They have a belief that something exists with no proof, just a belief. Climate change people are the same." Huh?

How in the world can you hope to have people take anything you say seriously when you post stuff like that?

Do some research before you just out of right field say "the jury is still out." There is a mountain of evidence. Use that keyboard to do a little research from real scientists who actually do this for a living. It makes for a real argument for your position. Then present your argument without being condescending to your fellow reefers and dismissively saying it is "political."

That trash around Trev's board is real. What has happened to the marine life just off the coast here is real. I have seen it, firsthand, in my OWN lifetime. 30 years ago we had to have a limit on abalone to keep us from overfishing. Anyone even seen one recently?
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I have a Ph.D. in biology and I work with many other Ph.D.s that work on a myriad of topics at UCSD, Scripps Research Institute, Scripps Insitute of Oceanography, UCSF, UC Davis, UC Berkeley, Sapphire Energy, University of Wisconsin, University of Washington, Harvard, University of St. Louis, University of Technology, Sydney.. the list goes on. I have yet to find a peer that will tell you climate change is a hoax. The debate in the scientific community is not whether or not climate change is real. The debate is over what is causing it and it is not much of a debate at this point. There is strong evidence that rising CO2 levels significantly contribute to global climate change and we, as a species, emit lots and lots of CO2.

here's a link to a fairly recent paper that makes a few predictions about the coming years in southwest region of north america.
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/316/5828/1181
 
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fishtankcrazy...... Listen to the Dr. I am sure though that he is just a liberal hippie parading around as a Ph.D sent here by the liberal media.:lol: What in your background (besides what you type) makes you a "science person?" Where did you do your graduate work?

I especially liked the "I have yet to find a peer that will tell you climate change is a hoax. " part. :eek:hsnap:
 
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